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 Post subject: .50 Cal crate & tip colour codes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:44 pm 
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These are the colour codes to identify the contents of crated .50 Cal ammunition from the 1942 Ammunition manual:

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The same colour combinations were used for .30 Cal ammunition crates, and for .30 Cal (20 cartridges) and .50 Cal (10 cartridges) cartons, but with the stripes in a vertical direction. The exception to this is with cartons of Blank and Dummy cartridges, where the entire label was blue or green respectively.

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:24 pm 
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Paul.

I've been looking around, but can't find a definitive mix ratio, i.e A.P to tracer, Ball to tracer, etc.
On the mission briefing, and on the 265rd boxes the ratios were stated, did this vary to the type of mission or was there a standard mix?

Any help appreciated from 'the guru'!!

(I've got a load of rounds to paint! 8-) )

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:33 pm 
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There were of course the pre-mixed belted stuff, known mixes include:

4 Armor Piercing M2 - 1 Tracer M10
2 Armour Piercing M2 - 2 Incendiary M1 - 1 Tracer M1
Later mixes included 4 Armor Piercing Incendiary - 1 Tracer.
Ball ammo wasn't generally used for aircraft purposes.

Belts were also loaded to suit as instructed, from cartoned rounds.

I'll dig out The Book on the matter later on and see what it has to say.

I'll write up the correct tip colour codes for WWII ammunition too..... they are different to post-war and current markings, and vary according to version of round (three different colours for tracer for example), and thus date.

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:57 pm 
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Fickle Finger..? wrote:


(I've got a load of rounds to paint! 8-) )

Laurence.


Hey matey I'll keep an eye as to what colour codes you go for and do mine the same so when there together it will look better (HOPEFULLY)

Wont be long before we have a full quota for a mission :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:32 pm 
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Uuugh, this was a pain to compile with any degree of accuracy, but here we go.....

Armor Piercing:
AP M1: 7/16" Black tip. Standardised in 1931, limited standard in 1939, unlikely to see ETO use.
AP M2: 7/16" Black tip. Standardised in 1939, replacing the AP M1.

Tracer:
TR M1: 7/16" Red tip.
TR M2: 7/16" Red tip (?). Intended to replace the TR M1 in 1942, but superceded by later designs.
TR M10: 7/16" Orange tip. 1600yds trace. Introduced during 1942-44.
TR M17: 7/16" Maroon tip. 3000yds trace. Introduced during 1942-44.
TR M21: 7/16" Red tip. AKA the "Headlight" round, with a triple-brightness trace. Introduced 1944, discontinued post-war due to false trace.

Incendiary:
INC M1: 7/16" Light Blue tip. Standardised in 1941.
INC T-48: Blue halfway over 7/16" Light Blue tip. Used in ETO from Winter 1944, standardised as INC M23 in May 1945.

Armor Piercing Incendiary:
API M8: 7/16" Silver tip. Used in ETO from March/April 1944 onwards.

Armor Piercing Incendiary - Tracer:
API-T T-28: Red halfway over 7/16" Silver tip. Used in ETO from Spring 1944, designed to ignite German kerosene-based aircraft fuel. Standardised as API-T M20 in March 1945.

All the above should use M2 disintegrating links, the M9 link is post-war. :geek:

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
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Station 128 wrote:

All the above should use M2 disintegrating links, the M9 link is post-war. :geek:



OK Technical and physical differences between M-2 and M-9 link please.

And whilst were at it M-1 and M-2 projectile as well 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:26 pm 
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Looking at the smallest loop, the one that fits the cartridge case neck, the M2 is straight-sided, the M9 has a distinct kink in it and fits onto the case shoulder.

Armor Piercing M1 and M2 Variants:

AP M1:
Single cannelure (groove) on bullet.
Bullet weight: 761grains, tungsten chromium steel core.

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AP M2:
Double cannelure on bullet for visual identification until AP M1 stocks were exhausted.
Bullet weight: 718 grains with tungsten chromium steel core, 708 grains with alternative manganese molybdenum steel core.

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Tracer M1 and M2 Variants:

TR M1:
Ground and aircraft use, star stamped on head to indicate tracer.
Bullet weight: 680 grains.

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TR M2:
Aircraft use, shorter nose than TR M1.
Double cannelure on bullet for visual identification.
Still in development in November 1942, no further details. May not have entered full producton.

Anything else? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
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Station 128 wrote:

Anything else? ;)




Phfft...............

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
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Sorry mate,
I should have said "Anything else before I put the bumf away and go to the pub?"

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 Post subject: Re: .50 Cal crate colour codes
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Illustration of most of the above .50 cal projectile colour codes from a 1950s manual, complete with out-of-register printing... ;)

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