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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:08 pm 
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I got an original fuse box you are welcome to fondle 128...:-)

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:18 pm 
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No problem.

I'm still sorting images, but can help a bit with the markings.
The paint/stain issue is a bit unresolved. They either used very thick stain, or very thin paint. ;)
TM 9-1900 (Ammunition, general. 1945) does specify brown stain with yellow markings though.

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Looking at several photos there appear to be very minor variations in positioning of markings, but only difference I can see is the originating ordnance plant (e.g. St. Louis) and lot numbers. Any examples of other ordnance plants?


Right, other makers and markings.....
Your example shows TW-L. That's ammunition from Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant , Minneapolis, under contract to Federal Cartridge Co. Feb 1942 - August 1945.
The -L suffix indicates Linked Ammunition.

I've also seen:
SL (St Louis)
DA-L (Not yet identified)
FA (Frankford Arsenal)
CH-L (Not yet identified)
DM (Des Moines Ordnance Plant, Iowa. Operated by US Rubber Co. Jan 42 - July 1945)

The "T-code" is the mid-war AIC (Ammunition Identification Code)
All US ammunition, in whatever combination, amount and container, had a different code assigned, with .50 cal and smaller having a T prefix.

I don't have the full list, but here's a few examples on the standard wooden crate:
T1IKC = 240 rds Cal .50 carton, INC
T1IGR = 240 rds Cal .50 linked, Ball
T1ICW = 240 rds Cal .50 linked, AP
T1IBW = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, AP
T1ICC = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 2AP, 2IN, 1TR
T1ICE = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 4AP, 1TR
T1IIW = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 4API, 1APIT
T1IDC = 350 rds Cal .50 carton, AP
T1VGC = 350 rds Cal .50 carton, Dummy

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:19 pm 
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Grim Reaper wrote:
I got an original fuse box...


Welcome to the very select "Fuze Crate Owners Club" Lloyd. ;)
Photo's please!

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
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Ok, in answer to Osgood's remaining questions....

Osgood wrote:
Here is one with "FOR TRAINING USE IN CONTINENTAL U.S." (I can't confirm if this is original or has been repainted).


Stocks of "Limited Standard" or superceded ammunition would be returned to the US for training use, while the newer stuff would be used in combat.

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Can anyone identify the circular cannon logo above the bomb logo on the crate below? Does it represent a specific ordnance plant?


That's the other US Ordnance Corps logo, same as the "flaming bomb".
They are presumably used here to indicate the contents are to US Ord Dept. standards.

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This box and others I've seen are 240 qty, not 265. The marked weight varies accordingly. Why the variation in quantity for same linked ammo in similar sized crates?


.50 rounds come in cartons of 10, and were packed in either 24 or 35 cartons to a standard crate.
It seems probable that it simply wasn't worth having specific sized crates in this instance, when the standard crate would do just as well.

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Any views on the stencils available from Axholme Designs?


A fair attempt, but the problem is that they are stencils and therefore just look plain wrong. The "rounds" look somewhat odd too. ;)
(I have only ever seen one .50 cal crate that had stencilled markings of any sort, and that was on a printed crate that appears to have been quickly amended in parts after repacking at depot level.)

I'm working on transferring my crate markings to full-size .pdf files.
Once that's done they can be printed out in reverse and used to cut printing pads from rubber sheet. I did some smaller crates this way a couple of years ago, with rubber from a local craft shop mounted onto a sheet of wood.

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Some boxes are marked "repacked" - I wonder what this is about?


The contents of each crate would be inspected at regular intervals, and any of the contents that failed to meet specification would be marked for salvage.
These salvaged rounds would be returned to depot for examination and those that could be reused would be repackaged.
Alternatively, if the packaging was damaged the contents would be put into new packages and marked accordingly.

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A lot of questions all at once, but any info much appreciated!


Hope that helps,
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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:30 pm 
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Is it a very select club 128 ?....;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
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Not a select as the "Arming Wire Crate Owners Club UK".......

Which fuzes is it for, how many and when can I have the dimensions to draw up the plans? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:08 pm 
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I will check for you and report in sir anorak of northamptonshire........

its brown and yellow...:-)......i will arrange mutualy convenient for us both a official hand over and loaning ceremony so you can fondle it in private... :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
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Station 128 wrote:
Hope that helps,
PB


It certainly does, thanks again!
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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:55 pm 
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.50 Cal packaging reference images.

"1st pattern".
Wooden crate, bare wood, colour-coded markings


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"2nd pattern".
Wooden crate, brown stained, yellow markings as for 1st pattern.
Some have the colour coded diagonals omitted as seen below


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"3rd pattern".
Wooden crate, brown stained, yellow markings with cartridge silhouette in place of diagonal bands where required


"4th pattern".
Wooden crate, brown stained, yellow markings as for 3rd pattern with the addition of AIC numbers


Colour variations:

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Repacked and restencilled crate, previously containing API M8 in cartons:

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T-number variants, all repacked contents:

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"5th pattern".
Wooden crate, bare wood, black markings as for 4th pattern.


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10-round cartons with colour-coded labels

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
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Just to resurrect this thread a little.

An Ebay item that might be of interest?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-WWII-woo ... 2308b0fed7

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