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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:06 pm 
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Updated AIC (Ammunition Identification Codes) list:

T1IBW = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, AP M2
T1ICA = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 2AP M2, 2INC M1, 1TR M1
T1ICC = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 2AP, 2INC, 1TR
T1ICE = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 4AP M2, 1TR M1
T1ICW = 240 rds Cal .50 linked, AP M2
T1IDC = 350 rds Cal .50 carton, API M8
T1IDD = 350 rds Cal .50 carton, API M8
T1IGD = 265 rds Cal. 50 linked, 4xBall M2, 1xTR M1
T1IGR = 240 rds Cal .50 linked, Ball M2
T1IIH = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 1API M8, 1INC M1, 1API M8, 1INC M1, 1TR M10
T1IIN = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 1API M8, 1INC M1, 1API M8, 1INC M1, 1API-T M20
T1IIW = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, 4API M8, 1API-T M20
T1IKC = 240 rds Cal .50 carton, INC M1
T1IPB = 350 rds Cal. 50 carton, TR M1
T1JAA = 265 rds Cal .50 linked, Defective TR M1
T1VGC = 350 rds Cal .50 carton, Dummy M2

I'm pretty sure there are a couple of typos in the source material incorporated in the list, but until I find a copy of SB 9-AMM 5 I don't know which they are.

Theoretically, the 5-character AIC breaks down as follows:
1: Supply Catalog designation section, in this case T: Small Arms Ammunition
2: Sub-section of above, in this case 1: Ammunition for Rifle, Carbine, and Automatic guns
3: Caliber, I for .50 Cal. ammunition
4: Projectile type(s)
5: Packaging method

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:50 pm 
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Hi everyone, my name is Martin and I am new to your group. I am interested in the wooden .50 cal boxes and any other wooden boxes. I have an original .30 cal box, which appears to be the same construction, size etc as the .50 cal boxes, only marked up differently. Do any members have any information on who made the wooden boxes originaly? Many thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:36 pm 
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i recently got this .50 cal box from a shed near to metfield ,it seems different to any others i have seen. i thought maybe someone else may have one like it. the writing in the faint pic says "red label". im pretty certain its an aaf relic.


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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:01 am 
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Very nice Jimmy,

Looks at first glance to be for British RAF-spec. .50 ammunition supplied from the US.

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:08 am 
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thanks paul, raf? interesting, more info please.
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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:54 pm 
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Ok, I've remembered where I'd put my notes on this pattern of crate.

It's the normal Remington commercial pattern .50 crate, with the addition of British and Commonwealth standard markings.
The giveaway is the Explosives Class VI Division I text indicating SAA Safety Cartridges.

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Although Remington .50 Service ammunition was used by all British and Commonwealth services, as seen in the photo above, Red Label ammunition was the RAF specification for synchronised aircraft guns.
This specification was drawn up in WWI they were timed to fire through the propeller disc, hence synchronised guns, so the primers had to be much more reliable than those in regular ammo. Because of this Red Label ammo had a fixed "shelf life" after which it was downgraded to regular use.

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:55 pm 
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thanks again paul,you really do know your stuff.
the crate came with an absolutely mint metal wartime 50 cal ammo can and was given to me by a friend whilst clearing out a shed in cratfield suffolk after a bereavement. they were both covered in cobwebs and had obviously been there for many decades,apparantly they were going into a skip so i was fortunate to get them really,however you do have to wonder what else wasn't quite so lucky.

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 Post subject: Re: Wooden 50 cal ammo boxes.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:28 pm 
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Dragging up an old thread, I know.

The switch from 240rds to 265rds was a change in internal packaging. The 240rd cases had the sealed metal 'spam can' liner made for long term storage. As production and usage ramped up, a switch was made to a waxed/tarred cardboard liner that allowed space for another layer of cartridges.

'Repacked' refers to the arsenal or facility that assembled the loose cartridges into belts per the load required. Cartridges would be 'packed' at the factory in lots by type - tracer, API etc - then belted and 'repacked' into the crates


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