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 Post subject: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:43 pm 
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Hi Mike,

Firstly, we are new to this forum.

We really love your postings & love your high quality photos of your WW2 aircraft findings etc.

We also share your interest in WW2 aviation & we too are finding great finds similar to yours at the old Burtonwood USAAF airfield (near Warrington Cheshire) as you can see on our website here:

http://historicaviationmilitary.com/air ... dings.html

Keep up the good work & feel free to drop us a line by email at:

gazandmalc@yahoo.co.uk

Regards

Gary & Malcolm.


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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:13 am 
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Welcome aboard...

The unidentified panel on the first page of your site with the 89P part number is from a P-47 Thunderbolt:

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It would appear to be the port-side exhaust wastegate shroud.

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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:41 pm 
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to our post.

No doubt you've heard about 'brand new crated stuff' being buried at Burtonwood & many other places.

We were just wondering about your thoughts regarding this?

Is there any truth in this or is it just a myth?

How do you go on about getting permission to do your digs?

How do you find out about the actual history of the land you are searching on?

How do you find aerial photos (in the past - WW2 etc) of the land?

We are asking this because we've asked the MOD, USAAF Historic sites forum/website, the environment agency,m Warrington Council etc you name it we've tried asking all sorts of help regarding this piece of land where we are finding all our finds & we cannot find out anything about it?

All we know is that a guy in a local pub told us that the Americans took lorry load after lorry load to this particular area.

After we got this information (back in the 1990's) we then went there and found the aluminiuum cowlings & engine mountings shown on our website on this page http://historicaviationmilitary.com/airfields.html

We then stopped going to this area.

Obviously since this time 20 Years ago we have started going back to this area & we have continued our research regarding this area.

We have even found out that there were many of these 'dumps' around the Burtonwood area & we have even found a faint line (on a 1972 aerial photo) running from a place where it is known that B17's were being broken up & it goes straight to a place we now know was a 'dumping ground'.

Really what is needed on this area is full permission to use a Ground Penetrating Radar machine on it or somthing like that.

Only today we found a part what we think is something to do with either a P-51 or P-47 Oil or Fuel Baffle part number EA-105871 with ALCOA printed on it too.

We also found a plexiglass in an olive drab green frame that has a bulbous shape to it.

Unfortunately it is a bit damaged.

We will send you the link to the photos in a few days time so you can see them.

Anyways, thanks again for your time & I hope you can help us further.

Regards

Gary & Malcolm.


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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:46 am 
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I'll deal with your baffling baffle first of all if I may.

As you've already come across on other forums, part number EA-105871 seems to be Fairchild-based.

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I downloaded a P-47 parts catalogue, and checked the number index, without success.
Next step is to look at all the illustrations in the catalogue for something that looks similar.

Hmmm, promising...

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The ductwork shown blows cooled air onto the engine's electrical generator.
As P-47 powerplants came as a bolt-on pack, they have a different manual, which I don't have.
However, the generator itself was a standard US supply item, Generator, AC, No. 95-32274, designed and built by...

...Fairchild.

Without the powerplant parts book I can't be certain, but there certainly may be some sort of connection.

As to old aerial photos of your sites at Burtonwood, you're in luck.
http://www.ukaerialphotos.com has 1940s coverage of the entire site, although you can only view small blocks at a time for free.
That should give you something to work with for now I'm sure. :)

All the best,
PB

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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Hi Paul,

Many thanks for your time in helping us with our finds at Burtonwood.

We tend to think the drawing & very detailed information you submitted on your post back to us is what you say it is.

We have also been on the aerial photo site & we are still searching on that site.

We went back to Burtonwood this morning (Sunday 29th Jan 2012) & we found quite a few interesting items including:

1 A green folding chair that looks military.

2 An item with 4 wheels on it that we aren't sure what it is? It could be off an Aircraft although it is fairly heavy?

3 A Computer True Airspeed A.C. Type G-1 Dial Set.

Item 3 (the Type G-1 Dial Set) has currently been updated showing photos of it on our website here:

http://historicaviationmilitary.com/air ... dings.html

Item 2 is currently on youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcThsklaqbcItem

As before Paul, if you can help us to identify this wheel formation then just send a post back.

All the best.

Gary & Malcolm.


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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:48 pm 
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I've split this off from the Weybread thread into its own dedicated Burtonwood one. :)

After looking at the video the wheeled thing looks familiar, but not from an aircraft. I'll have to mull it over and report back.

Back to your P47 wastegate shroud:

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Here's one in position, just aft of the oil cooler outlets:

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The bulge at the top is to clear the flap operating mechanism, so the post and starboard shrouds are mirror images.
Here's a port-side one like yours, even the four bolt holes match up:

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All the best,
PB

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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:57 pm 
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for all the help that you are giving us we really appreciuate it.

It must take you quite a long time to research all this for us Paul so thanks.

Unfortunately due to the weather we were unable to go to the place at Burtonwood where we find all these historic relics.

We have however just updated our aircraft findings page with a few photos of some aircrew headphone receivers that we found there 2 weeks ago.

Here they are:

http://historicaviationmilitary.com/air ... dings.html

Did you find out what those wheel things were?

We know you say that they don't look like aircraft parts & we think the same way.

But on its ends it appears to have had some sort of aluminium kind of metal that has eroded away and we think this because it is located in the same area of where we are finding other aircraft parts and the way the erosion looks.

If we get time tonight we will also be adding our video from last week of when we dug up the aircraft computer dials.

Thanks again for your time Paul.

Regards

Gary & Malcolm

P.S. Do you know how we can contact Colin Waterworth regarding Burtonwood?


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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:38 pm 
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Hi Paul,

We have added 2 more items that we found today at Burtonwood.

First item we think is a Allison Engine Carburettor Grill from a P38-Lockhead Lightning item number 37364-G.

The Second item is possibly a portable oxygen tank?

What do you think Paul?

Photos of the items have now been added to our aircraft findings page here:

http://historicaviationmilitary.com/air ... dings.html

Do you know Colin Waterworth's email address then we can discuss Burtonwood stuff with him?

We are convinced that there is lots of other exciting WW2 items on this land at Burtonwood but we are unsure about how to progress with this on a bigger scale?

Thanks again for your time.

Gary & Malcolm


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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:11 pm 
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I've identified another carb filter screen with that part number as coming off a PD-12K series carb fitted to the Allison V1710 over on warrelics.

The oxygen cylinder appears to be a variant of the A-4 walk-around oxygen bottle, before they did away with the reinforcing bands. My December '42 dated bottle had a single raised rib where the top and bottom halves join, and my mid-late '43 example has a simple overlapped joint.

I'm afraid I don't have any contact details for Mr Waterworth at all.

All the best,
PB

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 Post subject: Re: Burtonwood Bits...
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:58 pm 
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for that information.

We didn't know that they made different models of the oxygen bottles.

We've been to Burtonwood again last week after quite a long spell of not going & found some hydraulic cylinders & oxygen cylinders etc & we've just updated our website with one of the hydraulic cylinders that Malc has cleaned up.

The part identification numbers are on the webpage but here they are anyway:

Serial No. 10656-2304

Assem 106 58041

E38 106-58702

Have you any ideas what aircraft it was fitted to?

Let us know Paul?

The link to the updated page is here:

http://historicaviationmilitary.com/air ... dings.html

Hope to be going to Burtonwood this weekend on Sunday morning so hopefuly we might find some more great items?

Thanks for your comments Paul again.

Regards.

Gary & Malcolm.


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